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Lies To Children 
14th-May-2008 12:45 pm
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From Paul Graham, Lies We Tell Kids:
We arrive at adulthood with a kind of truth debt. We were told a lot of lies to get us (and our parents) through our childhood. Some may have been necessary. Some probably weren't. But we all arrive at adulthood with heads full of lies.

There's never a point where the adults sit you down and explain all the lies they told you. They've forgotten most of them. So if you're going to clear these lies out of your head, you're going to have to do it yourself.
This has got me thinking about the lies we tell our munchkins.  I'm not sure there are any - certainly, keeping them out of school saves them from the worst of it - but we need to monitor more carefully.  I'd rather my kids were confused than pacified, generally.

There are some lies to children that are necessary.  The one about electrons orbiting nuclei like planets orbiting the sun is necessary to get the hang of chemical valence without getting bogged down in quantum physics, which is a science that's probably still in the four-humours-and-philosopher's-stone stage of its development.  But unlike my school teachers, it would be nice to be told "this is an approximation, you need to pretend it's the truth for now and if you like we can cover the reality after the lesson is over".

This reminds me of Alan C Dexter, my maths teacher in year eight or nine.  We were going through some algebra on the blackboard, presumably simplifying equations or somesuch.  I asked if such-and-such an equation could be reduced down to so-and-so.  Mr Dexter looked at me, and looked at the board, and said, "Hmmm! Good question!" and proceeded to do some working out on the board.  I was dazzled by the stuff he was doing - he was using techniques we hadn't been exposed to, and using shortcuts I'd never seen.  I only grasped a tenth of it at best. When he'd finished, he said, "No, that's not equivalent - but it was a very good try!"  He turned around to erase his working and I shouted out, "Hang on!  What was that you just did there?"  He turned back: "You're not up to that yet. Don't get sidetracked."  And he rubbed it all out.

If he'd said, "It's called calculus, and it's complicated. Come back after class and I'll show you, but don't worry if it's a bit advanced," then I would have come back, and I would have learned something.  But he was convinced that kids aged 14 don't get to learn stuff that's meant for kids aged 16, so he shut me down.

Which isn't quite about Lies To Children, but it's close.  Maybe the connecting thread is: treating children like they're retarded and useless is foolish.  The fact that it's frequently also a self-fulfilling prophecy -- that's just poetic justice for the parents who'll one day need to rely on the next generation to change their bedpans and administer their pills...
Comments 
14th-May-2008 03:37 am (UTC)
Know it, love it, printed it out and showed it to my daughter. That's not an article, it's a creed.
14th-May-2008 04:09 am (UTC)
Except, that its argument that mathematics is an art not a science isn't quite right. Because science is also taught very badly, in many of the same ways, and that's not because science is an art not a science. In fact, they tend to be taught badly because they're treated as a combination of applied mathematics and stamp collecting.
14th-May-2008 04:13 am (UTC)
I also think the boundaries between "art" and "science" are too harshly defined in general. There is beauty in mathematics and biology (and other science too, but I have my preferences ;), and science in poetry and music and painting. Different balances of art and science, to be sure, but the clear-cut "you are an artist and you are a scientist" division is just... divisive.

This from the biologist in love with an artist. ;)
15th-May-2008 05:14 am (UTC)
Yes. Yesyesyesyesyes.
Learning styles are one thing, but to be told 'you can't be creative because you're an analytical person'? F*** off, all researchers do both. Gah. Not to mention how close is the line between 'you can't do numbers, you're a writing type' and 'you can't do numbers, you're a girl'. GAH.
I suspect lots of lies to children are because the adults were fed them and now truly believe them, and aren't willing to admit they missed out on good stuff for no good reason.
19th-May-2008 08:21 am (UTC)
In year 10, we had a relief teacher for maths. He caught me talking to someone in class, when I probably should have been doing something else, and when he'd finished telling me off, condescendingly told me that "even girls can be good at maths if they try. Perhaps you ought to try".

My teammates from the national maths competition were taking bets as to how much of him would survive after that. :)

But I'm a biologist now. That's more soft, girly science. ;)
14th-May-2008 06:49 am (UTC)
I have to agree, there is something drastically wrong with the way science is taught at school.

The fact that my HSC Chemistry teacher, weeks out from the trial HSC, told my parents at a parent-teacher interview that I would not excel at high school chemistry but once I hit University I would absolutely flourish was an admission that she knew the system was flawed, but there was nothing she could do about it.

I really have been meaning to go back and visit my science teachers at school to thank them for inspiring me to continue with science despite the flaws with the way it is taught in schools, only it feels weird knowing that I far surpass their science knowledge.
14th-May-2008 06:59 am (UTC)
Any teacher worth her pittance will be so chuffed at an old student coming back to say g'day, she'll never worry about feeling inferior. I've taught a few people informally in my day, and having one of my former clansmen, to whom I taught some silly songs back in the early nineties, recognised as a Master of the musical arts -- that's a joy, not a pain.

I did very well in chemistry in year 10, and pitifully badly in year 11. The difference was entirely down to the year 11 teacher, who was loathesome. I heard later that she'd died in a car crash, and I cheered.
14th-May-2008 05:36 am (UTC)
Not just lies to children, you get shut down all through life. No, you cant learn this because your not experienced enough/havent signed this paper/dont vote for the right people/etc.
14th-May-2008 06:43 am (UTC)
I have a big problem with the "Santa Claus" lie.

Western society encourages parents to spend 5 - 7 years cultivating in their child a passionate admiration for a man who breaks into your home once a year to leave presents, then to break their heart by telling them you deliberately lied to them.

Thank goodness I'm not a parent or I'd be faced with the problem of how to explain this whole ridiculous situation to a toddler.
14th-May-2008 07:00 am (UTC)
We've presented it as a fairy story, and never given our kids any reason to see it as truth. I like the poster I saw once: "Hey kids! When you figure out the truth about what your parents told you about Santa Claus, you might want to re-examine what they told you about Jesus!"
14th-May-2008 01:01 pm (UTC)
I'm struggling to cope with grandparents etc telling my girls absurd things about where their father went after he died... oww the contradiction! The falsehoods! The condescension! Please make it stop!
14th-May-2008 07:46 am (UTC)
The EDoD saw through it by the age of four. We don't do Santa in this house, although K had some fun and confusion regarding stockings last year, but this year I think we'll be talking in more depth about St Nicholas and the Coca Cola company ;-)
14th-May-2008 10:13 am (UTC)
I inherited from my parents a tendency to not only not tell lies to children, but to tell the truth to a point when they are frequently begging me to stop. I think this is why kids continue to talk to me.
14th-May-2008 10:13 am (UTC)
I had a similar experience at school maths when we were doing the quadratic equation. We were told that if b^2-4ac is less than zero, the equation has no solutions. I put my hand up and asked if there wasn't something about it actually having solutions but them being 'weird' and complex in some way. I was told to be quiet and stop interrupting the class.
I didn't like school very much.
I may end up being a teacher some day and I really hope that I'll be one of those people who says 'come talk to me after class' (even if just to direct the pupils to the library/internet for more information) instead of 'no'.
I too don't like the Santa thing. We never had a santa at home, nor got presents from santa, and while we did hear about santa through other venues I don't think we ever really believed in him other than the way you imagine fairy tales possibly being true etc. To me christmas was always mainly about family and good food...and presents, especially at a certain age.
14th-May-2008 01:10 pm (UTC)
My girls get fed the "Santa" story, but that is more a collaboration between them and me (and Rob each Christmas thus far) than because of any doubt as to the unreality of Santa. We maintain the charade, however, because we'd hate to disillusion their grandparents, aunts, cousins etcetera. And I feel that's somewhat f*cked up.

There is something wrong when grown ups run around contriving supporting evidence of a myth and tee-heeing behind their hands about how cute it is that the children still believe in Santa, while my girls roll their eyes and play along because I've suggested strongly that it's polite to indulge their elder relatives regarding Santa (and because they believe they get more 'stuff' that way).
14th-May-2008 03:12 pm (UTC)
As you say, much of what we tell children that "ain't necessarily so" is a desperate attempt to manage complexity and forward references. Some of it is also an attempt to save face, either personally or on behalf of some tribe to which the family belongs. (The Catholics, the Democrats, the well-to-do, etc.)

Some of it draws on a need to manage the genuinely unknown. We have absolutely no idea where Grandpa went when he died, if indeed he went anywhere at all. The loss is real and painful, especially where Grandpa was a good man who doted on the kids. There is simply no way to explain to a six-year-old the sort of open-ended ignorance that death represents. I'm 56, educated and good with words; I might have had a chance. My poor mother, who had little education and inherited a catastrophically downer sort of Catholicism from her own mother, didn't have a great deal to say, and what she did say didn't help.

Most of it, I suspect, is an attempt to protect children from various species of pain that the parents experienced themselves. Death and loss are one species. Sex is another. Sex is primal, mysterious, and permanently sticks to the unconscious in peculiar ways, many or most of them painful. It requires a mature ego to handle even reasonably well, which is something our parents perhaps dimly understood, and was what they were reaching for in counseling us to hold off until we were older. They "lie" because they don't really understand why sex hurt them so much, but would like to spare us as much of that exquisitely awful pain as possible.

Graham's essay is thought provoking, but weak compared to other things of his that I've read. The whole "suburbia is sterile" thing is a mantra among some people and has always puzzled me; when I was 15, my friends and I were battling many other things, but we took suburbia as a given. It was the only place we knew, and in looking back I'm very glad it didn't get in our faces like the big cities I lived in later on did. At 15, our energies were otherwise engaged in figuring out what we were good at and why girls paid us no attention. That was battle enough.
14th-May-2008 05:54 pm (UTC)
I'm going to speak up on behalf of the kids with intellectual disabilities, who also shouldn't be treated like they're useless. They have their own set of self-fulfilling prophecies to deal with already.

With you on the fibs. I've been most tempted by some sort of lie about TV and eyes, but I just say "Screen time's over for the day", and that seems to go fine.
14th-May-2008 08:24 pm (UTC) - Oh Mr B that's terrible!
Have I ever mentioned the Y9 boy who asked me, out of the blue, after some more advanced stuff in one of my science lessons, would I teach him Relativity?

I showed him the Lorentz Contractions and Time Dilation equations that lunchtime. later, I was shown his application for y10 work experience at MelbUni's physics dept, in which he mentioned this.

Later still, I met him in the street one day when he was being a Uni Physics student. He asked if I remembered him.

Not only that, I reminded him of the toy wombat he had given me when my contract wasn't renewed.

I don't do this any more, of course. But to those who do who might be reading this, please hearken. Apparently it really does make a difference to the kids in your charge.
15th-May-2008 07:16 am (UTC)
EFTB you just hit on one of the reaosns we home educate ;-)

I had so many similar experiences in the school system.... being ready or interested and then told it was in "next term/year/life's syllubus"....

All kids learn at different rates and develop different areas of interest at different times and sometimes in reverse order (just to make it really interesting) - no intsitutional school system can cope with this. One on one or one to a few can and that is what happens in home ed.
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